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The Bible (Gospel/Injeel)?

The Bible Does Not Claim Jesus Claimed to Be Son of God :
It is a fact that the words “son of God” are not found on the lips of Jesus anywhere in the first three Gospel accounts, he was always calling himself the Son of Man. And it is a curious form of reasoning that I have seen so often that it is established from Bible that he claimed to be God because – look how the Jews reacted. They will say for example he said such and such and the Jews said he is blaspheming, he claimed to be God and they tried to stone him. So they argue that he must have been claiming to be God because look ! – the Jews tried to kill him. They said that’s what he was claiming. But the interesting thing is that all the evidence is then built on the fact that a person is saying: I believed that Jesus was the son of God because the Jews who killed him said that’s what he used to say ! His enemies used to say that, so he must have said it, this is what it amounts to. In other hand we have the words of Jesus saying he would keep the law, the law of Moses and we have the statement in the Bible, why did the Jews kill him ? Because he broke the law of Moses. Obviously the Jews misunderstood him, if he promised he would keep the law, but they killed him because he broke the law, they must have misunderstood him, or lied about him.

Writers of Bible – Out of Context :
When I talk about the Bible and quote various verses here and there I am often accused of putting things out of context, to say you have lifted something out of what it was talking about and given it a meaning. I don’t want to respond to the accusation as such, but it doesn’t seem to occur to many people that perhaps those who wrote portions of the Bible in the first place were guilty of the same thing. Maybe they – some of those writers – believed a certain thing and in order to prove it quoted from their scriptures – the Old Testament, the Hebrew writings – quoted out of context to prove their point. There are examples of that kind of thing. In Matthew 2 it said that a king wanted to kill the young child Jesus so he with his family went to Egypt, and they stayed there until that king died, and then they came back.

When the writer of Matthew, whoever he was, because the name Matthew won’t be found in the book of Matthew; when he described this event saying that he came back out of Egypt, he said: “ This was to fulfill a prophecy which is written” and then he quotes Hosea Chapter 11 “Out of Egypt I called my Son”. So he said because Jesus went to Egypt and then came back out of Egypt and we have this passage in the Hebrew scriptures “out of Egypt I called my son” Jesus must have been the son of God. If you look and see what he was quoting, Hosea 11:1 he quotes the second half of a complete sentence, the complete sentence reads: “When Israel was young I loved him and out of Egypt I called my son”. Israel the nation was considered as the son of God. Moses was told to go to Pharaoh and say to him: If you touch that nation of people, you touch my son; warning him, warning Pharaoh: don’t touch that nation, calling the nation “the son of God”. So that this is the only thing talked about in Hosea 11:1. “Out of Egypt I called my son” can only refer to the nation of Israel. I mentioned this point some months ago here in another talk, to which a young lady with us objected that Israel is a symbolic name for Jesus. You will have a hard time finding that anywhere in the Bible because it isn’t there. You can take an index of the Bible and lookup the word “Israel” everywhere the word occurs and you will find no where in any place that you can connect the word Israel with Jesus. But never mind – suppose it is true, read on, the second verse says “and after that he kept on worshipping Bal”, because this is what the Israelites were guilty of, very often they kept falling back into Idol worshipping. So if that “Israel” really meant Jesus and it means that Jesus is the son of God that came out of Egypt they must also mean that Jesus from time to time used to bow down to that idol Bal. You have to be consistent, and follow through on what it says. So the point is whoever wrote Matthew and Chapter 2 was trying to prove a point by quoting something out of context, and he undid himself, because if you follow through on it, it can not be so.

(source – http://www.bibleislam.com/)
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And by the way, it is a critical matter of faith for Muslims to believe in the ORIGINAL revelations that came down to Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus, just as it is important for Muslims to believe in the revelation of the Quran that came to Muhammad (PBUH).

So, finally here is the question: Do you still believe that the Bible has not been modified and thus, is not corrupted?

To believers of New Testament and not Old Testament – question w/example regarding OT validity?

I have heard many in R&S say that the Old Testament is not as reliable as the New Testament…to those who think this…what about how Jesus quoted from the Old Testament?

In John 6:25-59 Jesus says that it wasn’t Moses who gave the bread in the desert but God who did so, then He goes on to say that everyone who listens to the Father and learns from Him will be brought to Him (Jesus), then he goes on to say that He is the bread of life…

Moses was given the bread in the desert (some of the Old Testament was written by Moses – see John 5:46), but Jesus says it came from God and not Moses In John 6.

Isn’t the bread another term for Jesus? and John refers to Jesus as the “word” – so then the bread is the Word given to Moses in the desert?

I would interpret this scripture (John 6:25-59) to mean that the Old Testament is about Jesus…and when I read the stories of the Old Testament symbolically they do take on a similar meaning for me. I see similarities with Jonah, Samson, etc….all symbolically seem like what Jesus would go through explained in the New Testament – names and circumstances different but the underlying meaning extremely similar to what happened in the life of Jesus. (ex: Jonah 3 days in the belly of the whale before being spit out (Jesus raised after 3 days), etc. – I could go on and on but only one example here)

In the desert they were given bread from heaven…symbolically they were given Jesus….they were given the Word. In John it says in the begining was the Word and the Word was made flesh (Jesus). Jesus is the Word…the Old Testament symbolically explains Jesus…throughout.

Remember that Moses placed a portion of the manna (Word) in the Ark of the Covenant (Hebrews 9:4)- we know these as the 10 commandments…and the 10 commandments are contained in the Old Testament, Exodus 20. Therefore I take this to mean that the Old Testament given to Moses in the desert came from God….in John 5:46 Jesus clearly says that Moses wrote of him. Therefore, the Torah (the five books of Moses), Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy are of God, Jesus said so in John 6. We also know that Jesus quoted Psalm, Malachi, Zachariah, and Jeremiah, also books in the Old Testament.

Does anyone else see that the Old Testament is validated in the New Testament by Jesus in the book of John?
I have seen atheists post on here saying how the OT is horrible and says horrible things, etc. and that God is not a loving God in the OT, when I see some Christians answer they may say that the OT was written by man and not all of it is valid…I disagree with this. I believe that it is valid and so is the NT…I believe that the entire OT spoke of Jesus…just not giving his name and exact circumstances. I believe that the OT should be taken symbolically. I also believe that the Hebrew meanings of names of towns and people should be considered when reading the OT in order to get the full meaning…

Why do a lot of the Bible-bashing websites complain about the vulgar language in the Old Testament?

I’ve never understand why amidst rants that have plenty of vulgar words, someone will complain that the Bible — particularly the Old Testament — uses a lot of shocking language. (Example: “….whoever shall piss against the wall.” [a reference to males]. Other famous examples are references to lascivious women lusting after men whose genitalia are compared to those of donkeys.)

Are they assuming that a “holy” book is somehow forbidden from using terms in Hebrew (which get translated into English) that are shocking? Or do they find it hard to believe that God would use language that they find upsetting? This seems odd to me because people often complain that the Bible doesn’t relate to “real life as I know it”. Wouldn’t we expect a book about life to address life as it really is and not avoid harsh realities (including the bloody carnage of ancient wars and the injustices of anarchy)?

Do you’ll agree that there is no god or goddess, no holy spirit, no savior, no reincarnation – continued?

For Christians: Have you read the Old Testament: It is the worst piece of genocidal literature ever created; hell – Hitler is nothing compared to the god and Israelities of the OT. For proof: Here is some examples (Don’t delete this question – the question will follow the examples):

And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, ‘Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.’” (Numbers 25:3-4)

And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.” (I Samuel 6:19)

Last example which is quite appalling;

And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.” (Deuteronomy 2:34)

“And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves.” (Deuteronomy 3:6-7)

I can’t list all the atrocities within this “holy book”.

My question: Why do you believe in a god – jesus included – if you believe in the trinity: Why do you believe in a book that supports rape, murder, execution of people, and the overall ethnic cleansing that occured because of these Israelities?

This is only the tip of the ice berg on why I threw away Christianity and became an atheist.

http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

Will: Pray to the Vince Offer – of Shamwow! – or anyone that hasn’t hurt people.
There is no god or goddess; religion and the belief in gods has always divided man. Morality has disappeared and the love and fellowship between us humans is almost non-existent.

Christians do you believe the Old Testament is outdated because Jesus changed the rules in the New Testament?

I find that the majority of the awful, intolerant, ridiculous things are in the old testament. Some Christians say that jesus did away with all of these evil old rules through his teachings and sacrifice. These same people will still try to hold on to some of the old testament however. For example some say that being gay is an abomination but then say that the rules condoning slavery and murder by stoning in the very same book(Leviticus)were replaced and are to be ignored now. You can’t pick and choose the ones you like. Either jesus replaced the old laws or he did not, which do you believe?
I found that there is mention against homos in the new testament but the question still stands is the old testament outdated and unimportant as far as morality goes now?